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Welcome to my Talk page. I will be adding more info on my User Page soon(ish). For now, feel free to make a headline (text between two equal signs) with any question or opinion you might have for you.

Started up public discussion on the Community portal

Images

I was wondering just how images in the wiki worked? I understand the tags, but how do you add the files themselves to the wiki database? Are they to be uploaded to the image gallery (and if so how do you refer to them, and can I even add images to the gallery?)? The reason I ask is, that I've set a couple projects for myself in the wiki, and one of them involves updating the Town Machines page; including updated screenshots. It's not a top-priority page, but I figure it's a good place to get my feet wet. Tenera 02:51, 31 October 2007 (CET)

I'm not Leord, but he shouldn't have a problem with me answering for him; go to this link: http://hellgate.incgamers.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload --Carlin 03:02, 31 October 2007 (CET)

Oh, you beat me to it, Carlin ;) --Leord 11:57, 31 October 2007 (CET)

Now we have many skill images cutted while they was inactive... in future, can we please upload skill images with name exactly like skill name? For example skill Drain Life. Dont name image as Icon-drainlife.jpg, using name like Icon-Drain Liefe.jpg will help make us simpler templates. And images have to be kategorized ;) I'll take care of it. --GoodWill 21:03, 6 November 2007 (CET)

Yeah, categorization with images has been... lacking >.< Still, the form I have used is: "Icon-word-of-fear2.jpg" (spell). "1" is for the lightened icon, and "2" is for the ones grayed out. All icons are 50*50 pixels. Any icons named differently is not done by me. If you have done similar things in some other wiki, please tell me :) I just thought that system worked fine, as using a space in filenames can make things complicated in urls, and same goes for capitalization. I am unsure on how Wikis usually do it, but if the standard is different, I am all ears :) --Leord 22:32, 6 November 2007 (CET)

Yes, i have done many things on another wikis (and still doing :) Spaces and another characters in name is not problem. Wiki is complete UTF. Well, i'm not sure if we need 2 icons for each skill, but if yes, then ok :) We can upload (or rename?) current images, or we can let it be how it is. If we will change it, then i vote for images named exactly by skill name (example, skill Word of Fear will have image "Word of Fear.jpg"). With space and another characters, without "Icon" prefix... and maybe not jpg, png will be better... but its more work for us (or me :). If u want grayed icons too, name "Word of Fear-dark.jpg" or so will be good. With same convention we can store screens with skil efects named "Word of Fear-screen.jpg" or so... if u give me your "blessing" :) ill make order with images. --GoodWill 09:31, 7 November 2007 (CET)

I need an image tutorial, too. I managed some screenshots, then I cropped them, then uploaded them, but I can't get them to display in the Dye Kits table:

Help is appreciated, as always. If I can get this down, I can add pictures. Whee! --Cydira 00:10, 10 November 2007 (CET)

I see pictures there. Do you still require help? --Leord 20:14, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Nope. Pixelz fixed me up. Thankee. --Cydira 20:22, 13 November 2007 (CET)

All Hallows Images

What has happened to all the images on the All Hallow's Page?? Uploaded on Nove 4, no deletion note, and all have disappeared!! Dark Matter 12:44, 7 November 2007 (CET)

I don't know. I am as shocked as you. I was going to put it on the front page as content, but with pics gone, I couldn't. I am bugging dev people about it! --Leord 12:48, 7 November 2007 (CET)

The Devs think it might have to do with the database move of the change of front page. Some uploaded files could have disappeared between the versions. We are looking for a fix. Wait with re-uploading. --Leord 12:52, 7 November 2007 (CET)

Image upload problem

I have problem with uploading one image. I dont know why, all others was uploader without problem. I got this error message:\

 Internal error
 Could not copy file "/tmp/phpHYVL3n" to "/var/home/hellinc/public_html/w/images/6/66/Hellfire-dark.png".

--GoodWill 20:54, 10 November 2007 (CET)

That is very odd. If you still can't upload it, send it to my e-mail (leord (at) incgamers (dot) com), and I'll try when I get the time. --Leord 14:05, 11 November 2007 (CET)

Taken care of today. Was a folder permissions error. --Leord 20:28, 13 November 2007 (CET)

Legendary Weapons

I copied the original weapon blockquote when I created Zealous Shatterscythe, but edited for Radiant Phantasmic Reaper. I think the new version looks better. What do you think?

I also think that adding the weapon rank (figure top right in the inspection panel) might be useful. Dark Matter 08:57, 26 October 2007 (CEST)

Hehe, besides the fact that you misspelled "Skillful" it looks nice. FYI though, I am going to make an info box (or if someone else does it) like on Holborn Station. Same concept, but look better, will be a template that is filled in with stats. I know Flux did it on some of the weapons, but most just have the text in "tree form" like you did here. The point is to make it easier further down the line to make new items. I am also pondering on if we should make it a very graphic heavy template, that uses the ingame graphics for items or something.. The MAIN thing for now is to have all stats you can think of adding into the weapon's pages, screenshots, and belonging to the right categories, so they can be found and updated later on. Right now, all the visitors of the wiki would benefit most from having the info, not in what state it is in ;) --Leord 12:46, 26 October 2007 (CEST)

Spelling corrected :) Re: NavBox, I was thinking that the Album Navbox that they use on Wikipedia might be adapable for our purposes [[1]]. What do you think? Dark Matter 11:18, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

That is exactly what I meant tbh. Just one thing before you go crazy with it, and that is that we are not going to make an info page on every single combination of suffixes and weapons, so that all items with an UNIQUE name will have it's own page, but items that just happen to be Rare/Legendary won't. Then it would be better with a Item Quality page or something, and a Suffix page, and interlinking. The total amount of weapons to be added in the Template:Weapon navbox and it's sub boxes will be around 100 or so I would imagine, + expansions.--Leord 02:07, 28 October 2007 (CEST)

Items Category

Category:Items seems to have a lot of double or even triple categorizing! The problem is weaponry that is often listed under the weapon, weapon type and item categories. I suggest that weapons should only be categorized under weapon and weapon subtype. ie Weed Whacker should only be under Weapons and Melee Weapons.
My reasoning is that further down the line the item category will be over whelmed if it lists every item in the game. Dark Matter 11:12, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

My original point would be to have around 3-4 categories for weapons/items to make them both in a long list of all items, as well as in the shorter ones of both weapons, weapon type, and also what class they might be unique to. This is ofcourse up for grabs a bit, but do you feel that this might be a bad idea?--Leord 02:07, 28 October 2007 (CEST)

Water Cooler / Village Pump

I think we need a page where the contributors can discuss stuff, without resorting to posting everything on your page. Very few people would come to your User page. What do you think about using the Community portal? Dark Matter 11:24, 27 October 2007 (CEST)

Seems like a good idea. I will manage to get someone to change that linking into "Hellgatewiki:" instead of "Hellgatewiki.com:"soon enough, but that isn't a problem for now, and as long as we don't link there too much, that won't be a problem, as it renames itself automatically when we change it.--Leord 02:07, 28 October 2007 (CEST)

Functions

I have problem with using functions... for example simple #if... it doesnt work like is defined here. Can u tell me why? Thanx. --GoodWill 21:41, 6 November 2007 (CET)

I am sorry mate, I don't actually know why it isn't working as it should. I haven't had the time to check on it. Check out Template:Stub, I know that it uses some kind of "if" function, as it changes layout depending on if something is written there. I will be checking these things out as soon as I have the time though. Currently redoing the Class pages, and as soon as I am done, things like that is on my to-do list :) --Leord 22:23, 6 November 2007 (CET)

OK, if i must wait, i will wait :) But.. is here someone else who have access to metawiki and some know-how about it? Someone have to focus on full functionality, then will be our work more effective. --GoodWill 09:16, 7 November 2007 (CET)

Well, this has become much more urgent now. I am asking the developers. We need to add it. Please give me more info about it. Send a forum PM, and we'll continue from there =) --Leord 11:39, 7 November 2007 (CET)

I'm actually tring to find a way to add kind of text in a page dinamically, by taking it from another page (the use would be for all thus prefix, so that u can just write in his page that "Charring: 3% chance to cause a Fire Nova when it hits an enemy" and just by putting some code in every items that use Charring whenever i change the original page (eg 3-4 %) all the items would dinamically change), i must admit that i'm not really expert in wiki-stuff and/or html but seems like Html doesn't work as it's reported in wikimedia. of course if u already know if there is a function that fit my need it would be even better, coz i was tring to figure out how to create it....--Crichhhhwwt 11:31, 10 January 2008 (CET)

What you are looking for then is Templates. They are a string of characters that can represent text, tables, pictures, anything, and you can link those into a page with writing {{Template Name}}. You can edit the template at Template:Template Name. It is also possible to add variables, such as adding the modification {{Template Name|3/2/1}} to make it say "3/2/1% chance to cause a Fire Nova when it hits an enemy". Check out our somewhat increased Help section for further details, I am currently not a total pro at templates. :( The thing is though that all the different attributes have variables. A given name will have different numbers randomly. We could then either always write out the number, or having the variable I mentioned, so you have to write the amount of percent, damage, defense or what the number entails yourself. --Leord 11:52, 10 January 2008 (CET)

Wonderful... Wonderful... As u can see i have just started to replace all the attributes from unique weapons/armor, will be a long work but will really simplify in the future.PS: in the "unique mind-control weapons" page all the item name's link are broken cos redirect back to unique mind-blabla could u please delete completely thus page? otherwise somebody should create every single item's own page (but i ain't got time now...) [based on the idon'tknowwho template] --Crichhhhwwt 15:32, 10 January 2008 (CET)

Just remove any categories and redirects on them and add {{Delete}} template on top. That will mark it for deletion. --Leord 15:51, 10 January 2008 (CET)

Blademaster skills

I've split the Blademaster Skills down into their areas with subtitles. I also removed the page from the Templar category as it's already in the Blademaster category. I then added the blademaster category into the Category:Templar category. I think it'll help prevent the high level categories getting filled up with too many pages that way. If you like it I'll do something similar for the other classes - if not, feel free to roll it back! Let me know what you think either way. Thanks. Golduch 17:19, 7 November 2007 (CET)

I replied on your talk page, Golduch =) --Leord 01:01, 8 November 2007 (CET)

Redirects

A number of stubs can be scraped together by redirecting them to one place, the way Accuracy redirects to Attributes, giving us one meaty page instead of a bunch of small ones. For instance:

Scrap Materials, Blessed Shards, Tech Components, and Runic Fragments could all redirect to Disassemble, and their content merged.

AoE, DoT, Clvl, Slvl and likely others, could all redirect to a "Game Abbreviations" page or something.

I'd do it, but I don't know how (or if I have the necessary permissions for it). --Cydira 23:23, 7 November 2007 (CET)

You can redirect pages by adding this to the top #REDIRECT [[Disassemble]] Tenera 00:57, 8 November 2007 (CET)

You are both right. That was my plan. When you redirect, do directly to the section it should go to! Like this: #REDIRECT [[Game Terms#AoE]], and it will go directly to the "AoE" section of that page. BTW, please use "Game Terms" for that, and put it in the "Game Terms" directory. If we ever need to flesh out the "AoE" etc pages, we just use those that currently redirects, and use the info that is in the "Game Terms". --Leord 01:01, 8 November 2007 (CET)

I tried to do the redirect to the Analyzers section on the Consumables page for Unidentified, but it just redirects to the top of the page. Help? --Cydira 00:17, 9 November 2007 (CET)

I am sorry, I tried it myself, and it just doesn't work. Not to a top headline either. I will investigate this, it should be possible. --Leord 11:23, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Yes, redirects work only to top of page now, but no problem, still use #Something. Maybe one day that will work. --GoodWill 11:44, 9 November 2007 (CET)

I had a play too, but oh well. I re-arranged some of the pages around disassemble as per the comments, but there's a lot of cross-over between dissassembling and upgrading, and whatever else the disassembled types are used for. Perhaps it would be better having all the basics on one Crafting page? I'm not really sure at the moment, not having used these things very much in game yet. Golduch 14:47, 9 November 2007 (CET)

That is a good point, what I had in mind originally. Info on crafting and upgrading on the same page, and lots of info regarding that on the Crafting page. --Leord 15:04, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Non-Station Places

Do we have a template and category for non-station places? They've been cropping up very often in my quest articles and I'd at least like to make stubs with empty templates for them. Then, if people drop by, they're more likely to add a picture or something. See my user page, too. --Cydira 21:49, 8 November 2007 (CET)

No, we dont have template for non-station places yet, but we have category :) Category:Locations --GoodWill 23:37, 8 November 2007 (CET)

I saw. ;) I guess I could just make up a way to do it, but I'd like input from others. I'm sure someone has an idea about how it should be done. Also, I'm trying to focus on quests now. --Cydira 00:11, 9 November 2007 (CET)

This is on my to-do list. You can check out User:GoodWill and his Brom's Curse page for a page that is similar to what I want with most clear info pages that we will have 100+ of, such as Areas and NPCs. Feel free to make one article for each NPC, but with just list of quests etc. Unless you have the coding skills of GoodWill, it can wait slightly. Also, don't be afraid to put up random pictures. If none else fixes a boilerplate for them, I will in the end ;) --Leord 11:26, 9 November 2007 (CET)

NPCs Template

Same as above, but for NPCs. I've been making stub pages for people who have showed up in my quests (putting them into the quest-giver category and the category of the station where they are), in the hope that someone stopping by will add a picture of them. I've also listed the quests they give in their article. Do we have a template for the NPC quest-giver (and medic, merchant, etc)? If not, we do need one. See Gunny, for instance. See my user page, too. --Cydira 21:49, 8 November 2007 (CET)

Look at the Area question you had. Feel free to continue. I only thought that we might actually change the NPC categories. Instead of "Category:NPC:Quest Givers", to have "Category:Quest NPC" etc. What is your opinion? --Leord 11:28, 9 November 2007 (CET)

This is moot, since the change was made. I think only the people who really wanted the change cared much either way, so it's good. --Cydira 16:51, 14 November 2007 (CET)

Items Navbox & Item Article Names

The items navbox seems to be pre-release. It uses a lot of terms for armor that the game doesn't use. The navbox needs to be fixed. (I'd do it, but again, I don't know how.) Obsolete or wrong articles should be renamed to coincide with how the game refers to those armor items (and redirect to the right articles, in case someone searches for them that way). For instance:

Shoulder Armor is correct, but we have Shoulder pads
Torso Armor is correct, but we have Body armor
Leg Armor is correct, but we have Leggings
Belts needs to be added to the navbox

Thanks in advance to anyone who's working on items/armor. --Cydira 00:08, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Both are on the to-do list (Community Portal front page). Feel free to move any articles from old name to real name, and to update the current navboxes with info. An overhaul is upcoming, and you are free to do that too if you want =) There is always work to go around! --Leord 11:30, 9 November 2007 (CET)

I don't know how to change the names of articles, short of moving the content to the new one and having the old one redirect. I also don't know how to update the navboxes (or I would). --Cydira 14:35, 9 November 2007 (CET)

No problems, we are all here to learn. I learn new stuff every day! You are correct, you "move/rename" by copy code and pasting. You can also use the "move" tab on the top, and the Wiki will do it for you. Rather do that. It will do everything automatically for you. Modifying nav boxes is just to go to the actual template and change data Template:Item navbox, Template:Weapon navbox etc. --Leord 14:39, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Thank you, Leord. I edited the Item navbox and I think it's cleaner and clearer now (and alphabetized) and everything goes somewhere useful. If not, I'm sure someone will make it better. I do love wikis. --Cydira 17:36, 9 November 2007 (CET)

Front Page

I've merged the articles regarding Achievements into one. Please put this on the front page under "Game Knowledge". --Pixelz 12:28, 10 November 2007 (CET)

Thanx

Thanx for that =) but Im not entirely new to wiki coding and such, I've been on Guildwiki for over a year now I think.. I guess this wiki uses the same about Sig and such ? I mean rules.. about length etc.Ache 14:44, 19 November 2007 (CET)

nono, that made it sound all wrong, I meant really, seriously, not sarcastic, really meant "thanx for the welcome" sry if I sounded angry =( wasnt at all my intention Ache 16:52, 19 November 2007 (CET)

I do, and its kinda cool to be on a game / wiki in such an early stage.. u feel like ur posts actually doing sumthing helpful.. In guild wars posting bug reports on their wiki helps this much | | = nothing... Ache 17:10, 19 November 2007 (CET)

Oversized "edit" links?

Hey Leord, it might just be the turkey from earlier, but are the edit section links now larger than they were earlier? Shouldn't they be small and on the right side of the section headings, like on Wiki? Gertlex 23:36, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Yes, this is something that happened with the upgrade of the mediawiki. I think Rush just thought that people wouldn't notice (no, he actually just didn't have enough time to deal with it at the time). It will be fixed today I hope. Either way, it is of more use to us with parsing and all the features of the latest mediawiki than small edit links to the right ;) --Leord 11:26, 23 November 2007 (CET)

Don't forget to sign

You left a msg on my user page. You forgot to sign. -- Dark Matter 15:30, 23 November 2007 (CET)

Categorizing Pages

Am I correct in thinking that items in a sub-category are not automatically listed under the main category's page? I'm seeing strange stuff going on with the various weapon categories that is lending credence to this theory. If that's the case, then is the policy to add all levels of categories and parent-categories to an item? IE, if a new cabalist weapon is discovered called the Fluffy Bunny Trimming Pistol, should all of the following be added to it - Weapons, Pistol Weapons, Cabalist Weapons, Items? Or is there a way to combine them? I'm asking now, because if all of them need to be there, then I'll go back through and update all of the existing weapons to have all of the categories they need. But I don't want to undertake that many edits if it's not necessary. --Dedridd 20:17, 29 November 2007 (CET)

policies?

Do we have any? If not it'd be a good idea, particularly to stop some of the junk, eg: "Tri-swords leave distinctive, aqua-colored swooshes through the air." (http://hellgate.incgamers.com/w/index.php/Tri-Sword), swooshes? is that even a word? Any thoughts or suggestions? I'm happy to write the policies but I'll be using much of my knowledge from my previous game (and motivation) guild wars (and its wiki) Dazaris 15:22, 9 January 2008 (CET)

Swoosh is definitely a word. ;) Through the context, though, the usage is wrong. It could possibly read something like "particle effect" as an example. Besides, as a pre-launch page, we don't need to edit it. --Mileron 16:08, 9 January 2008 (CET)

No, as an old page, you can keep it, even if wrongly written. I have seen some use "Articlename (Archived)" instead of "Pre_Launch:Articlename". anyone think we should change that? Leord

As I said, we should make some policies, general guidelines for things even just as that, so that all things are Pre_Launch:thingy or "thingy (archived)" and not some of this and some of that. Any up for it? 1:21am and a bit overworked due to the weapon thing I started :) Dazaris 16:21, 9 January 2008 (CET)

3:24 pm here :) But really working, so no time. I would mainly like to know if you think "Pre_Launch" is good, or if we should change that to "Archive" or the like... I created that, and regardless on how we do it, there should be coherence to it.

Personally I prefer the Pre_Launch:thingy, mostly because thats generally how other things are, user:name for example, but either way, you have more authority than me here ;) Dragon 16:31, 9 January 2008 (CET)

PS: Dragon = Dazaris, dragon username was taken so I used Dazaris, just changed nickname Dragon 16:32, 9 January 2008 (CET)

Ok, but we could just as well have "Archived:Articlename" as "Pre_Launch:". I also think you should use the same nickname as username. Easier to find you if one is writing in the name manually :) IMHO Dazaris sounds original and good on its own :) PS. you can click the signature button in the toolbar to automatically get your signature added. --Leord 19:38, 9 January 2008 (CET)

A page on article naming standards would definitely be useful. The "Name (Archived)" pages were probably created by me. Why the underscore in Pre_Launch? I prefer to have spaces in there (includeing between the : and the article name). Also, a quick and dirty message template should be created and put at the top of each such article. Currently I've been adding little blurbs saying "out of date info that might be interesting" and such to the top of archived articles. Gertlex 23:16, 9 January 2008 (CET)

Found the template, it's Pre Launch inside the {/}, it in use, so... who's up for writing a page of naming standards?XD

Change back to Dazaris, just changed to Dragon since it's what I use with everything else, but owell --Dazaris 00:10, 10 January 2008 (CET)

The underscore isn't really there. If you change name to "Pre Launch:X" that works fine. In normal grammar you would have ONE space, AFTER a colon (":"). If you compare to Wiki pages, I mean to use "Pre Launch" (or an other word, I am open for suggestions) much like the wiki uses "Hellgatewiki.com:", "Help:", "Template:", "Category:" etc, meaning no space after the colon. There is a {{Pre Launch}} template Template:Pre Launch, and you should feel free to add an icon to it, and change text or size. Could add a variable on the end with comments on why X page was interesting.

Dragon, I appreciate that, it makes looking through what you have done much easier, as well as your user page. If user "Dragon" do start to do wiki, you haven't stolen his nick either ;) --Leord 11:12, 10 January 2008 (CET)

Thanks to whoever added that comment just above Leord but can you please sign your comments, makes life easier for us :) you can use the button on the toolbar or type 4 ~'s. Created: Policies Feel free to edit, add to main page/community portal etc etc. Enjoy :) Dazaris 13:10, 10 January 2008 (CET)

Hehe, that was me. It is sometimes nice to break up text a bit. That is the reason for all the ":::" in front of the text, to see who one is replying to. :) I like the page BTW, but I will probably move it to "Hellgatewiki.com:Policies" later on. I just want the devs to change the name "Hellgatewiki.com" to just "HellgateWiki" before I make too many pages in that page type, it screws things up otherwise. I say we continue to use "Policies" for now though to add things. --Leord 13:16, 10 January 2008 (CET)

Sounds good, I'll create a discussion on that page now for talk bout it... Dazaris 03:50, 11 January 2008 (CET)

After Patch

After patch we need to upgrade ALL the shields value for armor.... groan :( --Crichhhhwwt 13:58, 10 February 2008 (CET)

Aoch. Got new screenshots or something? Can I help?

Uniques Categories

Any idea what happened to the categories for uniques?... Gertlex 17:40, 9 March 2008 (CET)

Take a look at the history of any page of uniques, such as Unique Templar Armor. You'll see subsequent edits by Worland and then JGillis. First changes category to unique items, the second removes that category... I've looked at two so far, and I'm venturing to guess it's the same for all. I'm fixing that now...

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