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Talk:Pre Launch:Weapons
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Weapons Categorization
Reddimus sent me this in a PM, it seems better to have this discussion in public:
Greets Leord, I was wondering if you could assist with a few things concerning weapon listings on the Wiki. I've added a few weapons to the database as well as re-classified some weapons to be included in three new categories: Cabalist Weapons, Hunter Weapons, and Templar Weapons. My main issue right now is how to deal with old pages and replacing locations. For example, I'd like to rename the Pistol Weapons category into One-Handed Guns that include Pistols, Foci and Grapplers. If I create a replica of the original page, what should I do with the old one? I plan to undertake and overhaul the whole basic and unique weapon database and possibly work on the armor database in the future. Regards, Reddimus
My reply: Greetings Reddimus! Glad to see you are in to one of the coolest parts Hellgate, the weapons! When it comes to the categorization of weapons, I am a bit uncertain on exactly how to do that. I was thinking of having the main categories of just sorting them, and then have additional categories to make looking easier, such as the specific class weapons you mention. Same goes for Armor of course. This is closely linked to the Weapon navbox (Template:Weapon navbox), that is a project I never finished off 100% because of lack of guns at the time. If you could give me your opinions on it, that would also be a great help!
When it coems to Pistol Weapons, I'm not sure we need to change it. The difference between "Pistol Weapons" and "One-handed Guns" isn't that big, and I like that it's shorter. Pistol is the most common name for the one handed guns type names, and it implies one-handed weapon as well. I would like more input from all of the HellgateWiki guys on this, if your suggestion might be more popular. What would be easiest for the non-Wiki editor?
Renaming isn't that hard though. Just use the "Move" option on the top, and move the article to a new location, change the name of the article. Old links will still link in, and everything is still saved for future use. If you feel you have time, copy the version that was used before the launch into a "Pre_Launch:Old_Weapon_Name" article and add the Template {{Pre Launch}} into the top.
When it comes to weapons, remember that we should have a set standard for showing stats, and we might want to revisit the one currently used. Having a template where you just put in variables might be better. Also, look at Quest:Forage for instance, we should have an info box on the right side in the same manner, or that is my opinion in any case.
So, now I have written a big pile of text on weapons, what are other people's Ideas? (Leord)
- Well I had said something here, but it seems some moron decided to roll the page back. Gertlex 16:57, 10 November 2007 (CET)
- Hm, that is very odd. I can't see any rollbacks... Anything you'd mind sharing again? --Leord 20:28, 13 November 2007 (CET)
Check out Talk:Items for a full list of Item categories btw. And also note that a Shield actually is a weapon (it has damage, counts as a weapon ingame, etc)! Make sure to post there if you have suggestions on weapons. That section is not 100% nailed yet. --Leord 13:47, 19 November 2007 (CET)
Categories and Subcategories
If you are adding a new subcategory, please make sure its purpose dramatically different in the way a class functions, such as Hunters having Sniper Rifle oriented skills compared to non Sniper Rifles or Templar Grapplers serving a different function from all their other damaging pistols. Moved list: here
- I encourage you to make a test page on your user page to show us, instead of in the discussion page! Go here: User:Username/Test Page And set it up there. Link to that test page from the discussion page, and remove the coding from here. Thank you :) --Leord 14:37, 9 November 2007 (CET)
- I think you should call the Cabalist items "Focus Items", not "Foci". I think people will search and be used to seeing the name as the game gives it. --Cydira 18:31, 9 November 2007 (CET)
- Yes, whenever possible, use the official "Focus Items" word. At least in article names and links. --Leord 20:30, 13 November 2007 (CET)
OUCH! way to many categories here IMO. Look at the duplication and sub-categories being proposed. We need to ask ourselves what are people going to be searching for and those are the main categories. Unique weapons, Hunter weapons, Cabalist Weapons and Templar Weapons, then Types, rifles, pistols, swords etc. Each weapon can be in a number of categories - could be in Pistols, Cabalist Weapons and Templar Weapons for example.
Remember Wiki Convention. A page is never categorised as in a category and a sub-category of that category. So, Hunter weapons, rifle, but not weapons and not Hunter. Dark Matter 15:21, 19 November 2007 (CET)
- Could anyone tell me how this is handled right now? I haven't seen the structure of Weapon categories yet. --Leord 11:55, 4 December 2007 (CET)
- i would propose something like This as temporary, i think that "by Class" is by the way more comfortable... Crichhhhwwt 15:10, 4 December 2007 (CET)
- I understand what you mean, but what of items that have no class restriction? What about future weapons with only single class, or limited class restrictions? I want to be able to sort items by class, but also by type. Or is this such a small occurance to make it useless? --Leord 17:52, 5 December 2007 (CET)
Example Weapon Template
From Reddimus: This is the basic weapon setup I'm using. I created it based on parts of the old weapon arcticles and rearranged the stats that seemed to relate most to each other. I've also merged range into what type of damages the weapon does since Splash range is always displayed on top of the damage, it'll be easier for everyone to quickly compare the two ranges. The main things that may be omitted or included additionally are Interrupt Strength or "Elemental" Strength. I'm not sure yet if I should leave in Critical Damage. Parentheses() are where something may or may not exist depending on different weapons.
- I encourage you to make a test page on your user page to show us, instead of in the discussion page! Go here: User:Username/Test Page And set it up there. Link to that test page from the discussion page, and remove the coding from here. Thank you :) --Leord 14:37, 9 November 2007 (CET)
- I used your template as a basis for mine, and I think it turned out rather well. I put the modified template on my user page if anyone is interested. - SaroDarksbane 04:21, 20 November 2007 (CET)
- I changed my template to include a "ring" style section for variations, and updated some pages accordingly. Let me know what you think! SaroDarksbane 05:00, 1 December 2007 (CET)
- Looks good! You should have room for "Notes & Trivia" at the end, as well as ilvl range (high - low). Info on Inherent Attributes is needed. A link to modifiers (Special Attributes) would be good as well. --Leord 14:00, 3 December 2007 (CET)
Equipment Statistics Reference
In relation to Equipment Statistics Reference by Xodusness, I had the fear that it would be too cumbersome, and having multiple sources of data will bring hell if they update weapons, and we miss etc. What do you guys think about it? Is this something that we can support with man hours? We might need to rename some articles as well btw, but that is a minor thing. This question is a general request of your opinions. --Leord 14:30, 9 November 2007 (CET)
- The way I see it, the main problem about this kind of list, is actually filling it in the first place :) After that is done it's more of an update thing really, read item change lsit in patch notes, mark respective items in the list as outdated, and grab new data from in-game as you find new "versions" of the items :) Same things when new items are added to the game.. Of course I understand your concerns, and as I said earlier, I will ofcourse accept and respect the general opinion of the community :) Regards, --Xodusness 15:55, 12 November 2007 (CET)
- IMO, more information is always the better. Man hours shouldn't be a concern in a wiki. The game is quite new yet, when more people buy the game, and find out about this site, more people will contribute. I'm comparing this site with The Arreat Summit for Diablo II. This site should contain at least the same amount of information about Hellgate, and I don't see why eventually it wouldn't. There will always be changes to the numbers in the game. The more people use it, the better chance we have to ask Hellgate crew about information, and perhaps notification before changes happen. And more information this site has, more people would use it. BSTL 16:58, 12 November 2007 (CET)
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